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It's a bit disingenuous to pretend that CTF/TTT/Zombies aren't heavily flawed.

There are a lot of people looking forward to L4D VR, but pavlov's zombies suck and have no variety. The zombie maps are boring.
CTF maps all seem to have messed up spawns that result in the teams spawn camping each other.
I don't think there is much interest in TTT, partially due to the large number of mutes we have. [spoiler]I think TTT is very autistic.[/spoiler]

I don't think it's fair to criticize the community for not trying new things, we tried very hard to make Contractors work despite its faults and we still have Onward lobbies now and again. We try new games, it's just that they aren't very good.
Likewise, the non-Counterstrike game modes in Pavlov are very weak. This really isn't a surprise since Pavlov's development arc has been very inspired by CS.