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Onward's fault is that because you can't sim felt recoil, they translated all of it to muzzle flip
you get solid 15-30 degree rise with some of the guns and it looks and feels retarded, just because you can't really properly sim good recoil without the kinetic factor being introduced as well
Recoil patterns are dumb but they take that lack of felt recoil and translate it into it's own little minigame, although even if that were removed and Pavlov's recoil were simplified, the actual visual aspect of Pavlov's recoil dabs on Onward by a lot
onward's shit looks really fucking wrong but your muzzle more or less stays correct between shots as it bucks back down, pavlov's shit just looks and feels gamey so that it's not utterly recoilless
I'd like to see someone take Onward's TTK but actually sim armor, add solid plate hitboxes and have helmets ricochet and such correctly, but I think it'd just boil down into GPMG spam since weight doesn't exist